The Bursting Bubble

As we are all much to aware I am sure, the American economy and many economies all over the world are facing more than a bit of madness right now. Teetering on the brink of who knows what, prices rising & falling, and surely more funny money being printed as I type, who knows exactly what the future might hold. Will be bounce back? Is a many years long depression in our future? Is this the end of America's decades long spending spree? No matter what this rapidly unfolding future may hold, I think it is very clear that America is getting the nasty slap in the face that she has long deserved and that life may be changing for many of us.
For quite some time, Americans have enjoyed living in the most decadent, wasteful, spoiled, and frivolous society that has ever walked the earth. All of us common folk have luxuries and creature comforts that even world leaders in the past could only dream of--hot water on demand, reliable refrigeration, miles of food already made for us whenever we want it, heaps of clothing and other goods, and medical care to solve nearly any problem--even those brought on by our richy-rich diets and disturbing dependence on oil for even the shortest driving distance. Many of our first world, rich, European, Asian, and Australian counterparts do not even enjoy the sick amount of "stuff" that Americans do. And most of our "essentials" have come at a high price--whether this is taking place currently (sweatshops) or left a dirty legacy on our nation's past (slavery).
The effects of our decadence and splendor have permeated much of our thoughts, including how we strive to tackle social problems, both domestic and around the globe. We've come to see our middle class USA way of life as the only way and attempt to import these values to societies where they simply cannot work. Many times, during discussions of food shortages, famine, and hunger, I have heard it uttered, "if only they would stop worshiping cows, then they wouldn't be hungry" as if this were a good excuse not to care about starving folks in India, Pakistan, or wherever the case may be. Never does the thought that a meat heavy diet is *luxurious* enter the speaker's mind. They never seem to realize that Americans can afford all their meat due to animal abuse, sick farming practices that produce heaps of pollution, and giving lots & lots of grains that could be feeding humans to the cows--all to wind up with an unhealthy product in the end. Such practices in a starving largely vegetarian nation would not work, but result in even more hunger very quickly. The solution of feed lots and even grazing on grass on a responsible farm can come because America has the space and arrogance to pull off such feats, not because we've made the "correct" choices to provide food for all of our citizens.
From our meat & potatoes every night to our closets bursting full of clothes and shoes, the lifestyle we live in America is *not* normal one bit. If every person on the face of the earth wasted & lived as does the average America, we would all be in big trouble very quickly. Most of the world eats a diet based on whole grains and legumes, supplementing with local fruits & veggies, wild meats & fish, and dairy from a few domesticated animals---oftentimes goats. Most of the world does not own two cars--instead public transit, animals, bikes, and the amazing invention known as two feet are used to travel over distances long and short. The nuclear family set up in America is not the norm and oftentimes several generations live under one roof--one that is far smaller in space than the typical one family American style home. Most nations, including the rest of the West, do not have the space to build out and over, but up and down. They do not have the space necessary to support the "American Dream."
Now with the bubble of arrogance and the One Right Way to Live bursting, I can't help but wonder how the future might look here in the States. For all the moaning and complaining of the systems of government in much of the developed world, for all the love of privacy in America, for the value we place on yesteryear, I can't help but wonder if it's time to drastically rethink the "American Dream." The high taxations in other countries might be a bummer, but they have also brought decent public transit & walkable communities that leave people paying *much* less for transportation costs and having true independence for choices on such matters. Health care programs exist to help prevent outbreaks of flu & other serious highly contagious illness as even those in poverty receive adequate care before problems occur, infecting entire communities. Lovely parks exist in some places, where food gardens can be grown & the community can come together rather than congregating in the shopping mall ala the USA. World class museums have been built where history can be showcased and preserved for generations to come. Parental & family leave that rivals America's tenfold and vacation time to give workers time with their families and leave them more refreshed, and giving them options when tragedy arises. And all of this on top of the rich histories, culture, and culinary legacies that many of these nations already can pride themselves on.
In the less developed world, where the nuclear family is not the norm, there are not lonely stay-at-home moms lacking in contact with adults every day, left to care for children alone even when sick, single handedly tending to the home fires day after day. There are not elderly folks dying in the cold because nobody was around to check on them. Differing generations are not separated into odd little groups that never cross paths. Instead, wisdom, work, resources, and care can be shared by several generations throughout the day, every day. Grandmas can rock babies to sleep, aunts can help cook nourishing meals, and children can be woven right into the family tapestry as they grow and learn amongst those who hold them dear. Another fine example of a safety net that most Americans simply do not have.
I am not saying any of this because I hate America, support heavy taxation, or find the thought of giving up privacy to live with others to be without problem, instead I ponder these thoughts as sometimes it seems people become wrapped up in fervent patriotism and cannot see past the many flaws in this country. In America, we are indeed lacking in community--in the form of nearby family, beloved friends & neighbors we actually know, a true culture & history that we all embrace & share, and strong civic activities to allow us as small little people to help our communities and provide a safety net *before* the government needs to step in. There is a special sort of loneliness in America, or so it often seems, as our culture is very passionate about our false sense of independence, stand on my own two feet stubbornness, and individuality through consumerism. I can't help but wonder if this loneliness will become all the greater as hard economic times might unfold.
So many problems of poverty and bad times can be alleviated by the simpleness of extending our hands in community. We can knock on the door of the elderly neighbor to be sure they are warm enough, to be sure they are not ill, to be sure they are alive even, especially in the extreme cold. We can invite friends or neighbors over for a meal & adequate heat when we know their funds might be tight. We can tend a garden in a friend's backyard, can and dry our harvest together, and split a bulk meat purchase from a local farm. Community gardens can be begun with a little work and word of mouth. Elderly folks can be "adopted" and treated as family, teaching us and our children the life lessons they have learned. People can work together to build a new park or make an existing one better. Carpooling, sharing our home libraries, bartering, sharing...there are so many ways we can enrich our lives, even in the face of great need, if we take the time to brainstorm now, use our creativity, and step out a bit from the typical American way of living life. Knit together rich community now, before such a blessing might be so desperately needed. Yes, we might feel odd. Yes, our offers and ideas might get turned down, but trying is better than nothing. And maybe, just maybe, if we swallow our American pride, we might just build a better sort of life.
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43 comments:
As usual you hit the nail on the head. This has been a long time coming for America. I believe America has judgment coming to her and deservedly so. Like you said, this isn't because I hate America, but because I hate the worldliness that has become the American dream.
It's amazing how close we all want to live together in cities and suburbs, looking directly into another's bedroom window, and yet we hardly know one another, there is no bartering or sharing and our families are strangers.
You are a wonderful writer. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Mrs. S
Very insightful, Amy. I love this place and I have written what I love about it as well. But one thing I am still amazed is that even the nicest people here have no qualms about wasting food. Incidentally that is also one of my pet peeves about food functions in churches.
We have a movie night coming Friday 7 pm. You would think by that time everybody would have eaten and come. Then the announcement is "Please bring a finger food and beverage." Why?? Half of the food goes to waste. Most people waste it anyway, but since I believe that it is morally wrong to do it, I take it home and end up eating it for the next few days to come.
Sorry I veered a little off topic, but food wastage is one of things I *dislike* about here.
Mrs. S- Isn't it just amazing?! Where I grew up, we *knew* all of our neighbors very well, could rely on them for anything, shared, carpooled, all the adults looked after all of the children, and so on. When we shoveled snow, we would always shovel for the entire block as most our neighbors were elderly. They would always pay us in cookies and cocoa ;o) Then my family moved down south and we hardly ever exchanged "hi" with the new neighbors. Very sad to experience such a change. Being able to share small talk, good times, tools, swimming pools, BBQs, and everything else is a beautiful act of community and one I really wish we all had.
Annie- That gripe is certainly on topic! I have some friends who dumpster dive with the local chapter of Food Not Bombs and you would be amazed at what they find. TONS of food, more than they can fit into the back of their pickup truck sometimes. All of it's perfectly good, usually thrown out due to a dent in a package. Our area has a huge homeless population, the food bank can't keep food on the shelf right now, and tons of families are applying for new food stamp service yet heaps of food are being thrown out! It's sickening to say the least.
I actually got Peapod's "new" stroller from beside the dumpster at the apt complex. Someone put it out as their military movers were packing up the final load. I went to look at the stroller and it was in perfectly good condition! And retails for $200. I took it from beside the dumpster and have been using it ever since. My friend and I have also found tons of clothing, chairs, and perfectly good stereo equipment at the dumpster here, too. We rescue the items and donate them to Goodwill as neither of us can bear the thought of perfectly usable goods going to the dump...even if it means we get a little dirty in the process. :P That's what our hot water on demand is for, right? ;o)
Truly it's astounding what people waste and throw out. There are really no words to express my sickness and amazement.
I totally agree about neighbors not being neighbors anymore. I Actually I am blessed to have wonderful neighbors on each side of me. The rest we get glares from, but the three of us stick together. We are available if needed, even if it's nothing more than to talk about the weather or even pulling weeds. None of our husbands are home (they are in the sandy place or about to head there or contracting in another state). My husband will be home in about 3 weeks! Then we will be moving to Fort Sam Houston in a few months. I will miss my friends very much. I do hope our new location will be half as friendly.
Amy,
I've read your blog for probably a year and a half now, and I love your writing! Your post is so true-we've created this false sense of independence and happiness via consumerism; a fallout was inevitable. What really upsets me is not just the culture at large- but the church. The church is just as materialistic, shallow and consumer-minded as any nonbeliever.
Interestingly, especially in Acts, the Bible portrays a much different kind of 'community of believers'- and it doesnt look much like a megachurch with 8 pastors and plasma screen tv's. Nor does it look like the business model on which our church is based. It's a living,vibrant, organic community of people living together, working together, sharing time money and resources.
I was just married two weeks ago and my husband and I are both very frustrated with the lack of this around here- in our conservative town with muliple hundreds of churches. Our goal is to get something going..be it a home church, or just some kind of ministry to the community at large.
This summer at Cornerstone Festival I met a couple who used to work with Food Not Bombs, but have started a Christian group called the Manna Free Food Coalition- they do the same thing, dumpster dive and then have big picnics with the homeless. Hubby and I tried our hand diving locally- its NUTS what we found. Just crazy.
Sorry for the novel...its just a topic I'm really passionate about also!
I will first say that I agree with 99% of what you have said. I was born and lived in America until I was 37, when personal matters took me to Australia. The disgusting waste and frivolity of what has become the American way, and the determination that it will be inflicted on the rest of the planet, like it or not, is something that has always sickened me.
I would like to point out, however, that you are biased toward a vegetarian lifestyle. There are certain groups of people of indigenous origin, among them American Indians (including Inuit), Australian Aborigines, certain Asian ethnic minorities, certain African ethnic groups, who are evolutionarily adapted to a diet that is primarily animal protein based.
When the typical European carbohydrate-riddled diet is imposed on these people, they rapidly develop serious obesity, insulin resistance, diabetes Type II, heart disease and all the other horrible health problems associated with these conditions. They simply CANNOT be healthy eating the typical vegetarian diet of complex carbohydrates and legumes.
This is not to say that I think feedlots and the America method of mass production of meat is a good thing, but it is a good idea to keep it in mind that there are those who do not fit the notion that vegetarian is better, etc. What may be a healthy diet for someone of European origin is an early death sentence for people in these ethnic groups - and America is such a melting pot that there are many people there who are suffering from obesity they cannot control because they have developed insulin resistance and don't know it - because they're glomming down all those cheap carbohydrates that are supposed to be so good for you and nice for the animals too ...
Please look into a book called The Insulin Resistance Diet if you think that I'm making this up. One man's "healthy diet" is another man's sick diet. If I, as an American Indian, ate what you profess to be "healthy", I would be overweight, have wildly fluctuating blood sugars, and eventually develop Diabetes Type II.
We are all made with great diversity, and as you said, one of the greatest wrongs America has done the world is to insist that everyone do things the American way. That's where America has fallen down, and become absolutely despised by other nations - by trying to insist that everyone has to do things in the same way. Everyone doesn't have to be a white, middle class, Protestant American, and everyone wasn't born able to be healthy and prosper on a vegetarian diet.
Community:
My parents definitely taught me that *everyone* is out to get me - if they're not going to steal my wallet, they're going to ask me to do or give...something. It taught me to be safe. But it also taught me to stay behind locked doors and avoid eye contact. In the interests of making friends in a new place, I've tried extending my hand to others, and generally get a suspicious look in return. I've actually had to make *gallons* of tomato sauce to freeze because no neighbors would take my fresh garden goodies. Perhaps they feared "owing" me something in return. Perhaps they feared I would later try to sell them Mary Kay or convert them. Perhaps the "razor blades in Halloween candy" fears hit early this year.
Diet:
My high iron levels mean I can't eat much meat, and, in any case, I *much* prefer either fake or marinated tofu. That non-meat protein sources are also more environmentally and socially responsible is an added plus. When I cook for non-vegetarian friends - and quite well, I might add! - I sense they are still waiting for the "real" meal to come along. Juxtapose that reaction with millions of people who don't even have access to safe water - though I suspect many have given up waiting for it, or don't even know it exists.
Americans are killing themselves with food. Our life expectancy peaked a generation ago. I read a study a few years examining how different religious groups in America regard and maintain health. Hindus were the healthiest, followed by Baha'i and then Jews. Protestants (I think Southern Baptists in particular), with all the potlucks and coffee/donut hours, were at the very bottom of the list.
American homes:
I grew up in a house where every child had his own private bathroom. My current roommate grew up in a house where five people shared one. (I puzzled over the logistics of that. Answer: you wait.) We joke that this is the reason why I take longer showers, leave the toothpaste out, and didn't quite understand that living with others involves *sharing and compromise* until dear college roommates took care to teach me...and, looking back, with an immense amount of undeserved patience and kindness!
I think our nation started off with the right ideas. Freedom and Independence are very important for so many reasons. However, like you said, somewhere along the way we've become lavish and wasteful. Because America has gone so far from the Lord, there will be consequences on our nation as a whole. How could we expect anything different?
With that being said I am a bit weary of this theory that everything should be shared and equally distributed. This seems to be the direction we're heading. What happened to working hard and earning what you have? My BIL is trying to run a small business here in town and is in the process of hiring. The problem is, he can't find anyone who's willing to do actual work. Yet these folks feel that they are entitled to have the same benefeits as those who work by the sweat of their brow everyday.
Close to where I live there is a GM plant that's closing down in the fourth quarter of 2009. Now because the city is going to lose so much tax money the plant is being urged to continue paying taxes even while the plant is idle, gradually weaning off. Why should an idle plant have to pay taxes? Why can't we let our companies thrive instead of taxing them unnecessarily causing them to ship jobs overseas. This is a big reason why, sadly, our major companies are using slave labor and sweatshops instead of fairly paying american workers. Now I'm not saying this is moral, but business people aren't all believers and think in terms of, well...business. It's sad for all of us. For our unemployed men and women and also for those who are being so grossly underpaid and abused in these terrible sweatshops.
I feel like we're trying to create a Utopia in a fallen world. People are looking to government to solve the problems that big government will only make worse in the end. I don't support government run healthcare and I certainly don't want the government to decided when to pull the plug on my dying loved ones or to decided if they're worth saving at all. It's easy to forget that there are so many negative aspects of big government because we all so desperately want to see change. My point is, we look to government when we should be looking up.
So often I cry for our world when I watch the news. We've gone so far from love and decency. We are supposed to extend our hands to one another out of obedience to our Lord and Saviour. Now we may be required to do so only to give glory to our national leaders.
Whew! Until I got a little further into this, I thought you were trying to extol the virtues of socialism. Of course I've communicated with you enough to know better!
You're right about one thing: this self-centered, independent, disconnected approach to life in America is a HUGE part of the problems we face. We live near a lot of extended family but we are rare as almost everyone we know is isolated and scattered from their family members; everyone no doubt in search of their "American Dream." One of my heart's desires is to be and stay near my girls as they grow up and begin to raise their own families. Because even though we're near family, I still have had to tackle motherhood alone as all my other female relatives are working moms.
I also agree that our obsession with ease and convenience and stuff and self have brought us to this inevitably dangerous financial siyuation. We are in desperate need of re-evaluating our lives.
One thing before I end this way too long comment: the healthcare that so many tout in Europe and Canada is far from ideal. My friend's parents own a summer home in Canada (more American decadence, huh?) Anyway, her mom fell and fractured her pelvis and they did not have the resources to treat her under their healthcare system. Her American insurance company had to fly her back to the states for treatment. The healthcare workers lamented the low pay, lack of medical necessities and the like. In fact, she said there was another elderly patient there who had a similar injury who had been lying there for two weeks, untreated, only being fed pain medicine. Wow!
You know that I totally appreciate the spirit of this post, Amy. You are spot on about the path our country is headed. We have our problems, but all countries do. This certainly may change soon;-), but right now I can think of no other country I'd prefer to have been born in or live in.
MrsKassandra- Thank you very much for your comment. You bring up some excellent points and I appreciate you sharing about Manna Free Food Coalition. Peapod & I sort food at the food bank and help distribute sandwiches to the homeless in the park, but I can't bring myself to cook with Food Not Bombs despite being asked several times. Nearly everyone but the three friends of mine are radically pro-choice and I simply cannot get over the disconnect between wanting to feed the poor and supporting the murder of millions of babies....just doesn't work in my mind. :o(
Anonymous- I can hardly be biased about the vegetarian lifestyle as I am not a vegetarian myself ;o)I am well aware of the information you shared, but as this post was about social justice and not nutrition did not find it particularly important to discuss the health aspects of such a diet, but rather the issues that come with equating a luxurious American ideal as the proper way to live.
Alison, I, too, have experienced some of the same reactions when trying to get out there and meet neighbors and find it very sad, to say the least. My husband has stated many times how standoffish and nasty the typical American is compared with the people he has met in the Middle East. He was treated in a more loving, neighborly manner even in Iraq during 2003, which is pretty stunning if you think about why he was there ;o) And now, in Kuwait, he has been invited out to have coffee with the Kuwaitis he works with more than he had since we moved to Washington. Three of the Kuwaitis even treated him to a piece of cake on his birthday. Something to think about, that is for sure.
I laughed about your bit about bathrooms! The first fourteen years of my life were spent in a teeny post-WW2 house with only one bathroom for the four of us. When we moved down South and had three bathrooms, it was paradise! LOL.
Samantha- I am not trying to make the argument that the government should evenly distribute goods, but am supporting the fact that we *must* humble ourselves and learn to share with our neighbors, friends, and others who might be in a time of need. As you said, look to God rather than the government.
It's absolutely ridiculous that churches have people turning to food stamps in their congregation while others are purchasing big screen tvs and the offering money is funding more Christmas decorations, rather than programs for the poor in their own members. Sure they have the freedom and right as an American to do such things, but that doesn't make it morally correct or right.
I think American lavishness needs to be examined and people need to stop placing their own comforts and desires above the very essential needs of those around them. If I know friends who have helped me are struggling to keep their heat on this winter, should I be sleeping well in my 72 degrees or ought I throw on a wool blanket and some extra socks to save some money on my heat and help them keep theirs on? Issues like this is what I am referring to and I think for many people, these decisions are going to be very important in the months to come.
Terry- I don't think either socialism or capitalism are wonderful ideals that can be held up as godly and the right way to do things. ;o)
When it comes to health care, I am not supporting either system in full as I can share scary anecdotes about both and statistical advantages to both (and have experienced both--we are a military family remember ;o)), but I do think people need to be objective and realize if the most poor among us are not receiving adequate medical care *all* of us can become very, very ill with diseases that typically do not kill in the wealthy West but do in most of the world over. Proper sanitation and hygiene go along way in preventing many illnesses and were the United States to wind up in a real financial pickle and depression, both of these could go out the window, resulting in a Big Huge Mess. The flu could kill millions, even here in America. We are not immune to such things. And for this reason, I absolutely believe we have dire problems with the health care system that we as a nation need to address with something more than flu shot campaigns at Wal-Mart.
Amy, I certainly agree with your follow up comment. Capitalism run amok is what got us into this mess. I'm just not one for correcting one mistake by going too far into an equally wrong direction. Balance, so hard to find, is still the only solution.
Which nations do you see as the ideal way of life? Certainly European countries have some things right...but they tend to be secular nations...their churches treated as nothing more than museums. And in less developed countries food in general is not easy to come by and many people fear for their safety.
Anonymous- I am NOT attempting to advocate *any* nation in our fallen world is an ideal nation to live in, but instead examining what could make life richer and better where we all are--in my case, at this point in time, this would be the United States. The moral deadness and wickedness in my country is inexcusable and worthy of God's wrath upon my nation. The social ills and loneliness that effect a great many people--including the churched--are woeful and could be alleviated just a little bit if we all tried to ease the burden on our brothers and sisters. We may not be able to return to Eden, but that does not make it acceptable to not follow the Bible's commands to love one another and offer charity when one can.
Another good post, Amy!
As I get older, I am more and more convicted of how I live my life and what I choose to spend my money on. Sadly, I am guilty of having too many pairs of shoes and more clothing than I can wear in a week or two. I have to point out, though, that a lot of my clothing is more than 10 years old (shocker!) - I just simply cannot bear to throw something out because it may not be the latest fashion at the moment. But I do know that I can donate it to a charity where someone can get much more use out of it, and it won't be clogging my closet.
During 1999, as our family prepared for whatever was to come in Y2K, we (all 9 kids) either lived close to my parents or were still living at home. If the worst had happened, we were prepared to move back in and live in a close commune of sorts, grandparents and all. It was a neat feeling, actually, to think that there would be many hands in the kitchen, strong hands of the men and brothers in the barn and garden, and gentle hands of my grandmother knitting or soothing a niece or nephew. To know that we could all count on each other was very comforting. I am actually sad we never did this! And we were prepared to help our neighbors as well, with some of them offering things to trade or barter.
I agree that we have had some wonderfully luxurious years here in the USA - unaffected by so much and with so much available to us, at the flick of a switch, knob or button (or credit card! :P ). The vast majority of the world lives with extended family members, produces much of what they eat, struggles to support their family amidst natural disasters, and yet they are so much happier than we are as a whole. We have so much and yet are so dissatisfied.
Our sermon yesterday was on the latest economic crisis and people's failing 401K's or retirement plans. Our pastor reminded us that our Heavenly Father owns it all and He is not sweating the latest hurdle in the road. Why should we? I am reminded that we cannot add even one day to our life by worrying. I DO, however, think that we can prepare, and be better stewards of what we are given.
One thing I've often wondered- when someone posts something along these lines, inevitably come the questions of ' well, where else would you rather live? or why do you hate America so much?' - and I don't really get that. Something I find scary is this dangerous mix of patriotism and religion; where 'American Christianity' somehow becomes the ideal. Last I checked, Jesus came for us all- not just the white, protestant, American middle class. Having legitimate concern for the poor, widowed, orphaned and needy isn't an endorsement for socialism, nor is it a 'liberal' idea- its what we're called to do as believers.
Vicky- I have some *really* old clothes too :D I even have a few not too maternity looking maternity cardigans I will wear inside...and Peapod will be two in a few weeks. If the clothing works, why not, right? LOL.
I find your Y2K scenario oddly comforting. We spent a few months living with my parents last year and would do it again if the need ever arose for any reason. The set-up was actually quite nice. Rather than needing to call my mom with some crazy worry in the middle of the night, she was right there. :o) And I had *lots* of help changing diapers, giving baths, and everything else during those months--even with a husband who was away a lot and working crazy hours. My parents also got spoiled with lots of grandparent time, which they loved, as you can imagine.
If the economy seriously tanks into depression, young'uns living with their parents or in-laws might wind up being a fabulous solution for many families. Young families may not be able to afford adequate housing whereas older folks may not be able to work. Put both of these problems together and viola! there is a solution. It might not be "ideal" and surely would take adjustments and rules for everyone, but it could work and actually be beneficial in many situations. Being adaptable and creative is of the utmost importance during any sort of time of trial, that is for sure.
MrsKassandra- THANK YOU for this comment!!! You stated this much nicer than I could have today. I am amazed how such conversations always turn into evil socialist!!11 mean traitor!!1111 type talk rather than discussing how we, as little people, might be able to put some Biblically based social justice into place.
This post has actually generated the largest amounts of comments I have ever had to delete during my entire time blogging here, COMBINED! :P Including several that told me if only I had a husband serving in the military I'd feel much differently about America. *baffled*
<----Lookie at my sidebar or the ticker on the bottom of my blog. My husband *is* there in the Sandy Place, right now, as I type! Not trying to be snarky, but if such a thought is going to be said, it's probably best to make sure I am *not* the wife of a deployed soldier first. ;o)
Well, I hope my comment doesn't get deleted : ) I resonate with much of what you say. The US is just a different place than it was "supposed" to be and what it is idealized to be. Seems like much of what is good about it is nostalgia, no?
I too am astounded on a regular basis with the lack of morality, manners, and general consideration we as US citizens exhibit towards eachother. Like when people on the bus just ignore me or give me dirty looks when I am searching for someone to offer my 9 months pregnant self a seat. Alas, I remain standing and get to listing to an f-word peppered conversation by grown men seated nearby.
As for excess, it creates unexpected problems too...like I have been given mountains of baby stuff that I literally have no room for. I give it away and I'm ungrateful, I keep it all and I am bursting at the seems with material gluttony. In the end I know I will chose to donate it.
I am no America basher and I know you're not either but this country is just stepping further away from God and it shows.
Catherine- I would never delete you, though you have gotten stuck in my comments before! I have a comment of your from my "5 Books" post stuck in moderation. I published it, the comment showed up for five mins, disappeared and then came back and is stuck. This has happened before, but I don't know how to fix it. Blogger doesn't like me. :o(
(If anyone else has commented here and hasn't gotten approved, let me know, as comment weirdness has been happening lately. There's not much I won't approve, barring insults to myself or others, comments that seem "spammy," inappropriate questions, and the like.)
Off from that tangent, the lack of civility you bring up is very important too. Sometimes it seems Americans use our "freedom" to mean freedom from any sense of decorum, decency, and respect, rather than freedom from tyranny and oppression. Freedom, in the true sense of the word, really cannot exist without being coupled with morality, self denial, and responsibility. Sure, you can use your freedom of speech to use vulgar language and racist slurs--you do technically have the right to do so, in most situations-- but it doesn't mean you should or that it's good and something we all need to accept and not dislike. Same thing goes with the way we spend our money and our time. Freedom can only exist if we know when to err on the side of caution and do what seems right, even if we'd rather not.
It's okay, maybe that comment wasn't meant to be : )
I imagine you've gotten some doozies on this post. People are fierce about defending America. I understand this but what's happening is hard to ignore.
The Lord our God is in control even if this relatively young nation passes away or becomes
unrecognizable...
seems that is already happening in many ways actually.
Catherine- Most of the comments, while meant to be insulting, have been quite comical. I don't know if you read my other comments on this thread but several anons have pretty much stated if only I was the wife of a soldier, I would think differently about America. I had quite a laugh from those, to be honest. My husband's career and current location are all on my sidebar, after all! :P
I do not believe any of us should be passionately defending America or any other wicked, worldly country. We need to be passionately defending the Bible and all the admonishments held on it's pages, not worrying about if helping our neighbors is "liberal" or "socialist" "un-American" or whatever. If the Bible says something is right and the Republican party does not agree, God is the one we follow. Likewise, if the Republicans are condoning questionable policies and laws, then the Bible is the one we defend.
This, sadly, does not happen in America all that often. We care much more about mad-made divides in the form of nations, political persuasion, race, and even infant feeding choices, more than we care about being full of zeal and passion for God's commandments for His earth. That's a grave problem and sinful thinking to the core. If we love God, we must love Him FAR greater than we love our country or *anything* else on the face of this earth, even if that means questioning everything we have ever been taught and rocking the status quo boat a bit. :o(
Catharine R.:
I was boarding a plane recently. A visibly frazzled and pregnant woman was struggling to get her two toddlers, diaper bag, and stroller onto the plane and down the aisle while picking up all the bottles and diapers and books she had just spilled. I was *floored* by the fact that not one single able-bodied male offered to, say, carry the stroller. I approached her and offered to hold everything but the toddlers while she settled into a seat. She gave me a wary look and declined. I signed, told her that I didn't think she had any other options, and she relented. I'm not sure which is worse: the total failure of anyone else to help out, or the fact that this woman was suspicious of a stranger offering a hand.
Amy~I love discussions like this so I hope my comment didn't come off as harsh or judgemental.
I thought of this post today while I was driving to my grandparents for lunch. I was listening to news radio in my car and heard the radio host say that on average 36,000 americans die each year from flu-related complications. I thought hmmm...maybe the Lord is speaking to my heart today.
So many in my family are dead-set against nationalized health care, so naturally I've heard every reason under the sun why it's a bad thing. Sometimes I'm so egotistical that I forget to look at things from anothers perspective. And this is not to say that your post is condoning nationalized health care either.
Thanks so much for being vulnerable and opening up you thoughts and feelings to the blogosphere. I know the backlash this can cause, even while it challenges us to think about these inportant issues.
I think you are very right in a lot of ways, but I think that it is also important to be careful. On the one hand, people are more skeptical and distrustful of others than they need to be. But on the other hand, there are all kinds of people that want nothing more than to scam someone in order to avoid being responsible for their own life. Sometimes, people are distrustful BECAUSE they feel that if they had the opportunity, they would take advantage of others.
I am in no way trying to disuade anyone from good works. But please do be careful about who you trust.
Mrs. Amy,
I would LOVE to leave a long comment, but the exigencies of time will not permit it. I just wanted to say that this was a good, thought provoking post, and when time permits, would like to offer a more thoughtful comment. Thanks...
MarkyMark
Samantha- It is *very* easy to take for granted that the flu doesn't kill us or people we know or usually people our age, but this has more to do with the country we live in--where many still have healthcare, proper sanitation, and hygiene standards at this point in time than the fact the flu can't harm us. Around the world, the flu is incredibly dangerous and kills even young, healthy people, not just vulnerable populations as typically happens in America.
The flu is also far from the only illness that has the potential to kill and spread like wildfire during an epidemic. Hantavirus, pneumatic plague, tuberculosis, and hemorrhagic fevers, among *many* other illnesses, may not be seen in the United States at this point--or at least not in large scale, but it's arrogant to the extreme to assume these illnesses could never spread here. At least two of these are carried and spread by rodents and can then be spread through the air. Tuberculosis is still common in many countries, especially among the poor, and can be spread through air, as can the flu and SARS.
Nationalized healthcare may not be *the* answer, but neither is living in a reality where more & more people are not going to be able to afford healthcare, COBRA coverage when they lose their jobs, and so on. Taxpayers still pay a huge burden when the uninsured seek medical care. Hospital emergency rooms are also clogged up as the ER typically cannot turn down a patient for lack of funds or insurnace so people who cannot afford going to a clinic, wind up at the ER for issues that really shouldn't be treated there. All of us who have medical insurance and do not have to make "choices" between paying premiums/co-pays and buying proper food, keeping the utilities on, and so on must never forget just how fortunate we really are. Plenty of people in our country--even those who work very hard--are not so blessed.
This post is like a roller coaster. Every time I look at it I am filled with more and sometimes contradictory feelings. I have a degree in economics, and I must admit, that what you are saying is a big part of the truth. If people had been more conservative, and didn't assume that they deserved what they couldn't afford, then it is true, we would not be in this state. But similarly, if there hadn't been so many people waiting to take advantage of people with low incomes, again we wouldn't be here. I remember reading about how Washington Mutual's business plan was to cater to poor people and then to stick them with high fees and charges when they slipped up. I am sad to say, that I got my reward for thinking this was a good idea. My family lost a LOT of money on their stock.
Still. I guess its hard to pin the blame on anyone in particular because almost noone makes poor choices on purpose. If they had known the outcomes of their actions would anyone have made the economic decisions that they did in the last few years that have led to this? Probably a few that got away clean.. But anyway. I can not imagine that anything can happen that is not part of a greater plan. I hope this means that people will become wiser and more community minded.
Laura- Our economic system is so messed up, it seems impossible to place blame anywhere but the system itself at this point. It's hard to even know what to think about this or that. I need a dry erase flow chart to keep up with it all! ;o)
I keep cringing after reading bits online that blame people for using credit to pay for items and services they couldn't afford, but it's not always that simple. Comparing people who buy IPODs and other luxury items on credit to those who are paying for badly needed dental work with a credit card are apples & oranges. Having been *very* poor not that long ago, sometimes people have to make really lousy "choices" to take care of themselves and their families, even when they are quite possibly working multiple jobs. :o(
Do I buy groceries or pay the electricity bill? Do we go to the doctor or put gas in the car? Do I take this job that means my children have to cook dinner for themselves or do I make sure I am home when they get home and use food stamps? Do I stay home with my sick baby today or go to work to be able to afford to take him to the doctor?
I don't really know how these horrible realities can be fixed, but it's not as simple as black & white thinking wants to make it. Getting off the cycle of hard times & poverty is *extremely* difficult, even when your doing everything "right." It's only by the grace of God my family is where we are today, that is for sure.
I've heard some really rotten stories about WAMU and several other big banks as well. Many banks really do seem to have almost predatory practices that feed on those who must live paycheck to paycheck or very near. We had instances with Bank of America in our very poor past where our account would wind with *multiple* overdraft fees solely based on how the transactions were put into the account, within minutes of each other. There would be just enough money to cover the purchases until the bank goofed with the money, taking their overdraft fee *before* any of the transactions even went through, before our account was in overdraft, then charging a fee for each transaction that followed. Hundreds of dollars of fees would ensue. Typically we'd be able to call and get most waived when calling them out on what they had done, but the first one always had to be paid.
Sean & I have always used a register to track our purchases and admittedly at the time we were cutting it close, leaving just a few dollars in the account, but really had no other choice. We weren't buying things we didn't need, were trying to get ourselves out of the big black hole and were just doing the best we could. Groceries had to be bought, utility bills needed to be paid, doctors appts needed to be paid for. :o( Once we became "unpoor" ,as we so affectionately dub it, we left fee happy BofA as quickly as we could. We like to joke they would probably charge fees for keeping money in the savings acct! LOL.
Perhaps these practices aren't predatory in the true sense of the word, but they are questionable at the very least. This is not to say bank customers, even those who are broke, are without any responsibility, of course. Just that some practices don't appear to be purely honest. And the fact that most people in my generation have no clue how to balance a checkbook or even keep track of their purchases rather than popping online for a balance inquiry doesn't help matters one bit. ;o)
"A visibly frazzled and pregnant woman was struggling to get her two toddlers, diaper bag, and stroller onto the plane and down the aisle while picking up all the bottles and diapers and books she had just spilled. I was *floored* by the fact that not one single able-bodied male offered to, say, carry the stroller."
Reading this makes me feel so happy for the community where we live. You'll go to the doctor, and women you don't know will ask you to hold their baby while they adjust the sling/stroller/whatever. Last time it happened, the baby was shoved into my arms so quickly I nearly dropped the poor darling out of surprise :)
Despite this, in cities I see a lot of what Amy's post talked about. Thank you, Amy, for writing this.
I grew up very poor. So did my husband. He recalls times in college eating donated angel food cake for days because it was all he had. We were very poor when first married as well. We know what it's like to have to choose between which bills to pay and to have to put a necessary medical expense on credit.
What we are both very grateful for is that in the US, unlike some nations, the poor can become "unpoor" thru education and other means. Education is very inexpensive for the poor - with the middle class being hit hardest. My mom went back to school in her 40's as single mom, and was given not just student loans but also grants which didn't need to be payed back to support not only her education but also her housing and living expenses for her and her kids. My husband got out of school with a very marketable and high paying set of skills. (I'm not saying that a college ed is the right thing for everyone...)
While America is on a downturn for sure, there is still much to be grateful for. However, I know of colleges being shut down and funding for college students being dramatically dropped. I'm not sure classical education will be available for the poor in future generations. That makes me pause to consider what we as a family can do to help our children grow up to be self sufficient. We plan to teach them to grow/raise their own food, make things from scratch, know how to gather herbs to make their own medicines, have skills to be bartered, and know how to be life long learners not only on the computer but also with books and learning from others.
I had another post which seems to have been lost... I was just commenting that while many people are rude I've had some tremendous experiences with traveling alone with a baby or toddler and been overwhelmed by how helpful people were. Also, want to encourage people to speak up and ask for someone to help if you need it. Many people are afraid to give up a seat to a pregnant person or to help a mom with her stroller or whatever lest they be viewed as thinking that women are incapable (thanks to extreme feminists). Many people are eager to lend a helping hand when asked with a smile. Most of the help I've received, however,I never even had to ask for.
AS for universal health care - I'm pretty much dead set against it. And I say this as someone who has lived much of my life without health insurance. At least with a choice in health care those with major illnesses such as cancer can be treated quickly and where they deem best unlike with universal health care. With lack of prompt treatment for life threatening illnesses vs no routine healthcare for many I think poor people not having regular check-ups is the lesser of 2 evils. And actually it's more the middle class who don't get treated, not the poor. There are many programs providing health care to the poor, but none which reach the middle class who can't afford health care due to being self employed and barely making it but being over the income limit of "poor". I'm sure both sides could be argued, (and my husband and I do argue both sides just for the fun of it) but I have to lean on preferring in any situation to be autonomous than to having a gov't take care of all of my needs.
Like others have said, it's not the gov'ts job - it's the job of God's people, the church. Our city, I just found out, has a clinic with a full time doctor who does free health care for anyone who needs it. It's part of a huge inter-church prayer and city outreach ministry. If we had more things like that going on, our nation would be in a better place.
It's easy to place blame on individuals for their consumerism, on economics and banks (and Oh I hear you with their crooked fee practices!!)and on the gov't not doing enough. The truth is the blame should largely be, in my humble opinion, on the church. Like another said, we haven't been the example we should be and largely as individuals making up the universal church we don't reach out to help and serve as we have been mandated to. Instead we stand back and cast judgment and wait for some pastor to start a program and beg for volunteers. Programs over people.... In our judgment and condemnation, we alienate the very people we could be reaching with the practical love of Jesus - to the point that the gospel or "good news" is perceived by most as a set of rules not a message of love.
And all this makes me think of what I should as an individual be doing, not only for my own family in this time, but also to help others. How can we as individuals help to alleviate the burden on our society? Yes, America is reaping what she has sewn. But will we stand back in judgment glad that people are getting what they deserve (and I'm not saying anyone here is doing that) or will we be servants of the incredible message of grace and mercy that is the gospel?
((climbing off of soapbox now))
Rebecca- I doubt university level education is the only part of the system we need to worry about. Many schools closed their doors during the Great Depression and already some school districts around the country are attending reduced school days/weeks due to the high price of gas & other school operations. I personally do not think a deep recession or depression is the only threat to what we have come to see as *the* education system. If peak oil issues are indeed on the horizon or even some BIG issue that forces us to finally stop relying on foreign oil, this will be very problematic as plenty of districts with a few LARGE schools rely on buses for their transportation rather than the two feet taking you to the neighborhood school as even my sister and I grew up with not long ago. But peak oil is a whole different issue altogether. ;o)
Hmm...yes, you do have a point. I had not thought of those issues with public schooling - maybe because we plan to homeschool anyway. But there is much one could think about in that direction. Wow! Sometimes I really wonder what the America our children and grandchildren come of age in is going to look like. Thanks for adding more interesting thought provoking posts :)
Amy,
One of the respondents said that many people who'd gotten victimized by the popping of the housing bubble couldn't see the lunacy of their decisions; this person said that folks don't deliberately make bad decisions. Sorry, but I disagree; the collapse of the housing market was a train wreck that Ray Charles could have seen coming! I'll copy & paste my blog post, "Weeping & Gnashing of Teeth", which is about how anyone with a brain could have figured things out for themselves. You can go to this URL to read my post on my blog: http://markymarksthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/09/weeping-gnashing-of-teeth.html
Now, I'll copy & paste my blog entry on this.
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Folks,
As you know, the housing bubble has long since popped; the crazy housing market, which saw annual price appreciation of 25%-50% (depending on the market), finally came back down to Earth a year or so ago. Since that has happened, there has been all SORTS of weeping and gnashing of teeth; people all over are crying like stuck pigs! Everyone who thought that the market could do nothing but go up are learning the hard way that this is not true.
You know what I say to these people? Tough noogies, that's what! Common sense should have told anyone with two brain cells knocking together that this sort of market could NOT continue. I guess common sense isn't so common, huh? Nothing, and I mean nothing, continually goes up forever-nothing! Such an occurrence is an impossibility; whether discussing the laws of economics or the laws of physics, what goes up must sooner or later come DOWN-duh! I thought that this was common sense, but I guess not...
Let's do some simple math, shall we? Let's crunch some numbers. I'll keep my numbers simple, so as to facilitate calculation thereof; I'll keep them simple, so that you won't need a calculator to follow along. I'm going to use 20% appreciation, since it's an easier number to work with, and since it was at the low end of the scale. Here in NJ, we saw annual house price increases of 20%-25% during the boom, while other areas, such as Las Vegas, NV saw price rises of 51% in one year. Now, let's say you had a house that, at the beginning of the boom, was worth $150,000. Take 20% of that, you have $30,000. Add the two together, you have a new price of $180,000. IOW, in mathematical terms, this would look like: $150,000+ (0.2)*($150,000)=$150,000+$30,000=$180,000. I'll continue this in a bulleted list below, so that the annual price rises are easier to follow.
* $180,000 + (0.2)*($180,000) = $216,000
* $216,000 + (0.2)*($216,000) = $259,200
* $259,000 + (0.2)*($259,200) = $311,040
* $311,040 + (0.2)*($311,040) = $373,248
* $373,248 + (0.2)*($373,248) = $447,897.60
* $447,897.60 + (0.2)*($447,897.60) = $537,477.12
This is the process I used to figure things out for myself; this is how I figured out that, sooner or later, the boom HAD to end. Even if one had an interest rate on their mortgage of 0% (an impossibility, I know; just play along with me), didn't people realize that, sooner or later, the monthly payments would exceed the ability of your average person to PAY them?! Didn't they also realize that, once this happens, housing prices had to cool off? If you're selling something, it's only worth what the market is willing to PAY for it-duh!
That doesn't even factor in the laws of supply & demand. When demand is high and supply is low, prices rise. When prices rise to a certain point, other entrepreneurs will start adding to supply, since THEY want some of the loot that's being made. When this happens, supply will, at some point, exceed demand. Once this happens, you have more product on the market than you have buyers; when the number of sellers exceeds the number of buyers, prices drop. Again, this is common sense; many of these yuppies fueling the boom have college degrees; many of these folks HAD to take economics for a year. Did they not learn ANYTHING?! I guess not.
I always found economics fascinating, since you can apply it to real life scenarios, both on an individual and collective level. You can also use this knowledge to figure out what could happen next, and whether or not the newspeople are telling you the truth. Though I didn't major in economics, I liked and enjoyed it; my grades reflected this too.
Then, there's the realm of history. Speculative booms, such as the recent housing boom here in America, have happened before. Speculative booms always follow the same cycle too; they always go through the same sequence of events. The last of these events is the INEVITABLE CRASH of the market. It happens every time, yet people don't learn! As the famous man once said, those who don't learn from history are DOOMED TO REPEAT IT...
While I could use many examples, I'll stick with the Florida real estate boom of the 1920s, which made our recent price appreciations seem tame in comparison. Prices during the FL boom were appreciating by a factor of 10 to a factor of 100! Prices in FL were climbing like a homesick angel during the 1920s-until that magic point was reached, and the market could no longer bear the insane price increases. Once this happened, there was a lot of weeping & gnashing of teeth, just like today. If people had only read their HISTORY, particularly of the FL land boom (since it was a similar event), then they would have figured out that the same result would happen in the end; prices would drop, and some fool would be left holding the bag.
My mom got The Economist, a British business magazine; she got it as a gift subscription from my brother, who's read the magazine for years. I'd read it when I went down to visit her. The Economist had a few articles and opinion pieces on the real estate boom, since Europe and Asia went through a similar boom, only they were ahead of us; their booms started earlier than ours, and it ended earlier than ours. A good 2-3 years before our boom ended, The Economist warned American readers that, what had happened in Europe was likely to happen in America too. People should have listened...
When I started reading about hairdressers and models still in their prime getting their real estate licenses in CA, I figured the end HAD to be near! I remember reading an article about how this hairdresser in Los Angeles had gotten her real estate license to get in on the action; in that same article, the writer told the readers about a former Playboy model (who was still young & hot enough to work as a model) who'd FORESAKEN her modeling career to pursue real estate! Why would a model, particularly if she's still young & hot enough to earn the big bucks that modeling pays, bail on such a lucrative career-especially when that career is short to begin with?! When I read that, it reminded me of the guy who, prior to the market crash of 1929, had received a stock tip from his shoe shine boy; when that happened, he figured that it was time to get out of the market. Soon thereafter, it crashed. That's JUST what that model's story reminded me of. A couple of years later, the market crashed, and here we are...
Many of these housing buyers were career chicks. These career chicks are the same ones that proudly and arrogantly proclaimed that they were HOMEOWNERS! They were especially arrogant around us men who haven't bought a home yet. They were loudly & proudly proclaiming their superiority over us stupid men; they were rubbing our noses in the fact that they were doing better than us. The fact that gov't interference may have helped them didn't matter; they were doing better than men, and they were letting EVERYONE know it. I wondcer how superior these career chicks feel now? Now, I'm laughing at these arrogant career chicks! I'm engaging in some schadenfreude; I'm rejoicing over their misfortune! It couldn't happen to a 'nicer' group of people. For those of you who have WORKED with arrogant, haught career chicks (arrogant & haughty, when used with the phrase, career chick, are redundant), you'll know what I'm talking about. Like me, you won't feel sorry for them, either. Hey Darlin', I hope you like being upside down, hehehe....
There are so many reasons why the housing market HAD to cool down; it was too hot NOT to cool down! If people had just used their brains; if they'd studied their history; if they'd read the commonly available periodicals available to everyone, they could have avoided the heartache that they're presently experiencing. But, they did not; they did not switch their brains to the 'on' position. Just doing the simple, number crunching exercise alone would have told people that, sooner or later, the party had to end; it had to! A vast majority of the sheeple had their brains turned off, and they mindlessly believed that the market could only go up. What fools they were. As the famous man once said, those who don't learn from history are DOOMED TO REPEAT IT...
MarkyMark
This is a very interesting blog. I will read more tomorrow when I have time. I was a military wife.
We were in Hawaii once, and we were riding a bus. A Pregnant woman with a baby and a toddler came on the bus, and not one person offered a seat. My husband and I and our 2 boys gave her our seats, and she really looked surprised. We should honor mothers more.
Mrs.Kassandra:
Thank you. I, too, see plenty of people acting in a way that worships "patriotism" far more than God. I don't know who said it, but I think it deserves repeating and warrants thought: some people love the fetus, but are not quite so loving or benevolent when that same child needs a safe loving home, food, or basic medical care.
Especially post-9/11, I have seen many bumper stickers that read "God bless the world. No exceptions." My initial reaction was that I was traveling behind a dirty hippie communist :) I am ashamed of that reaction now because these drivers were honoring God and *all* of His Creation...and I was too caught up patriotic zeal to realize that.
Mortgages and predatory lending:
To place the blame *squarely* on homeowners who were foolish and/or greedy enough to think they could afford a home that they could not ignores the complexity of the situation. Brokers, for example, earn on commission - not exactly a disincentive to steer buyers toward a cheaper house. Lenders, too, usually benefit even in the event of default, provided they have properly allocated the risks. They know, after all, that nearly all people will go hungry to pay their mortgage and maintain their credit rating. Add that to the fact that many Americans believe that their house is so Special and Unique and Amazing that anyone would purchase it given the chance and you have...what we have today.
Lenders, insurance companies, etc. deliberately use confusing language. The average person with no legal training will read a few sentences of and ask the broker or lender to translate with "trust me, you're fine" as a common response. Heck, I'm a lawyer - and even I need a sturdy set of highlighters and a flow chart to be absolutely sure I understand what lending agreements mean!
MarkyMark:
Are you sure it is wise to "rejoic[e] over their misfortune"?
Or are you simply envious of what you do not have?
Would you feel the same way if these were "career men"?
Many of us female homeowners purchased homes because it was cheaper than renting and a better use of the resources with which God chose to bless us. My house honors God - even if its roof shelters a "career chick."
I did not purchase my home to perform a societal castration. If we "career chicks" were happy to have a place where we could, say, paint or tile without risking a security deposit, be careful not to mistake that for "arrogance." A man can enjoy "the pride of home ownership," after all, right?
And where is this government assistance? My job process was anonymous - no one knew my gender until the very last round of interviews. And if there is some kind of government assistance or interest reduction available for female homeowners, I'd like to know. I *do* know it is available for military folks and some teachers. Is the solider who gets a lower interest rate "rubbing [y]our noses" in it too?
I am going to take a quick moment and respond to the responses, I got to my response. (!)
First, to Amy, I would never say that it can be held against poor people to take whatever path they see promise in, credit inclusive. I was referring more to people who wanted to live beyond their means and figured they could do it with credit. How many people have I known that have to have a big house and a fancy car and expensive jewelry to keep up appearances, and then have no money left over for necessities and end up relying on others. That is more what I was talking about.
As for people making bad choices on purpose... Marky, this doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying that with the knowledge that they would lose everything and crash the economy, people invested in new houses for the sake of a few months they could live there? I give people a little more credit than that. I think most people want to avoid losing everything if they have the option. I think the average person was misled, or didn't understand what was going on, or was overoptimistic about their future income. I am sure that while you don't go out to cause yourself trouble, you have at some point in your life made a mistake which caused you trouble. But then again, maybe not.
Laura- Oh no, I hope I didn't offend you! :o( Your comment that I was responding to made me realize that *my* original post could easily be thought to say everyone who used credit was doing so for luxurious reasons, when I know that not to be the case. Not *all* Americans can afford to take part in the rampant consumerism that has been the norm. I, myself, was cringe worthy, not you or any other commenter on here. :P You made me realize that I may not have been clear enough in my own words about such things. :o)
Allison,
No, I am not envious of career chicks; how could I envy a group of people who absolutely DISGUST me? That said, it absolutely FROSTS me that women automatically get preference in college admissions, jobs, and promotions. I've seen that all too often from the wrong end. Then, these chicks act like they're better than everyone else, even though I could tie half my brain behind my back and STILL run circles around them?! Oh, I'm crying sour grapes, you say? Let me give you a quick, little anecdote.
I used to work for a Fortune 500 company whose name is well known. With the exception of the division president, ALL OF THOSE IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY WERE WOMEN-all of them but one! You mean to tell me that there were NO qualified men? You mean to tell me that no men were smart enough or qualified enough? Come on! We only invented everything in this world, INCLUDING the computers on which we typed our respective missives. Let me put it another way: when I was new at the office of that Fortune 500 company, one of my FEMALE colleagues told me the standing, office joke: if you didn't have 'indoor plumbing', FORGET ABOUT BEING PROMOTED!
If someone works harder and works smarter than me, then congratulations to them; they beat me fair & square, and I can live with that. What I cannot live with is being discriminated against simply because I'm a white, Anglo Saxon, Protestant male; I'm sick of it! I've been denied college scholarships and goodness knows what else thanks to this garbage. Then, those who are the BENEFICIARIES have the gall to act like they did it on their own, and that they're better than I am? Please, don't make me laugh.
Two, I'm not talking about all career chicks (this should have been an obvious point that didn't need to be made), but the vast majority of them have this ATTITUDE that they're God's gift; they think that they're better than everyone else. One can hear this in the way that they speak to others, particularly men, in a condescending fashion; I've had career chicks treat me like I'm an idiot, though I'm anything but. Unlike you or many of these other career chicks, I studied a REAL degree in college; I studied something that actually challenges the intellect: electronics. Put THAT in your pipe, and smoke it! Anyway, when I talk about career chicks, what I have in mind is the "Sex and the City" characters; they're the QUINTESSENTIAL career chicks. Again, I thought that this was obvious, especially to someone who makes their LIVING with words, but I guess not...
Three, while lenders, real estate agents, insurance companies, and others ARE shysters and deliberately try to confuse buyers, no one held a gun to the buyers' heads and forced them to buy now, did they? Again, the INFORMATION was out there; the writing, both literally & figuratively speaking, was on the wall. Again, the one of the most BASIC laws of both economics & physics is that what goes up must sooner or later COME DOWN. As for history, one could look at the tulip boom in Holland during the Eighteenth Century, the Florida land boom of the 1920s, or any other speculative boom whatsoever; the story is always the same, yet people do NOT learn from history. As Edward Hermann said on the History Channel, the one thing we learn from history is that we DON'T learn from history. How true it is.
Four, I've made PLENTY of mistake, and I've learned many things from them; one of those things I've learned from them is that if I'd put my brain in gear first, and used the eyes & ears God gave me, why I could have PREVENTED the vast majority of them. Does that mean that one can prevent ALL mistakes? No, obviously it does not. However, if one mentally plays out the likely scenarios resulting from a particular course of action, then one can avoid many of the traps people fall into.
Five, if one is confused about legal paperwork, particularly that pertaining to a huge transaction (and buying a home IS a huge transaction), why can't these people retain their OWN attorneys, hmmm? Prior to retaining an attorney, what about conducting salient, relevant RESEARCH? I believe you lawyers call this doing 'due diligence'.
Oh, and one final point, I have been looking for a home-one that, unlike many idiots out there, I can actually AFFORD-you know, comfortably make the payments? Anyway, I looked a nice place that would have been perfect for me, except for one thing: steep stairs, the like of which I hadn't seen since my days in the Navy; the stairs in this house I looked at were literally as steep as the ladders on my old destroyer on which I served. To put it in perspective, the stairs were elevated at 60+ degrees, okay?! Unfortunately, I have bad knees, so steep stairs are an issue for me. So, guess what? I didn't go through with it! I'm still looking, but I'm not going to rush it until I find something that fits my lifestyle AND budget. If more of our fellow Americans had done that, we might not have had this housing bubble.
With that, I'm out of here. I need to finish my meal. I'm not envious, but I am angry at others, especially women, getting special breaks & perks just because of their sex, race, ethnicity, etc.. When these folks act like they're superior to me, I just want to THROW UP; give me a freakin' break! I'm going to sign off before I really get mad...
MarkyMark
Laura,
Your last response is rich, really rich. I could tear it up, big time, but I won't. I'll simply say this in response to ONE of the points you made: if people didn't understand what was going on, then they damn well SHOULD have before making a home purchase! It's a truism that a home purchase is the largest one most people will ever make during their lives. Well, before doing so, shouldn't they make sure that they DO understand what's what before going through with the biggest purchase of their lives? I think so.
If someone UNKNOWINGLY bought in an area that's near a hidden, chemical dump, or if they bought a house which wasn't properly built (e.g. the foundation cracked after they moved in, developed mold, etc.), then that's one thing. Such a situation would NOT be the buyer's fault at all. However, we're not talking about that now, are we?
No, we're talking about people who got caught up in the feeding frenzy of a housing market, thinking that the home for which they paid WAY too much would always appreciate at 20%-25% per year for ever. Such people are IDIOTS! Let me repeat that in case you missed it the first time: those people are I-D-I-O-T-S. Again, the evidence was out there; it was easy to find. If they didn't take time to LOOK BEFORE THEY LEAPED, then that is no one's fault but theirs. I stand by that assertion.
MarkyMark
Allison,
Oh, you've got a hole in your argument so big I could drive a Mack truck through it! So, you want to tell me that, when you interviewed for your job, that your sex was anonymous?! Come on! What do you think I am? An idiot? Just because all your college professors and the folks you admire on TV say that men are idiots doesn't make it so; what blows a hole in that fallacy is the fact that we men invented EVERYTHING in the world-everything! You can't be idiots to have invented, built, and created the world in which you live.
Now, let me ask you some questions, Counselor. Let me poke some more holes in your BS. To merit consideration for your interviews, did you not first have to submit a resume or CV? Did you not also have to submit some sort of application and associated paperwork? Isn't it also true that, on this paperwork, one has to furnish name, address, phone number, and other relevant, pertinent information? Did that not mean that you had to WRITE OUT YOUR ENTIRE NAME, BOTH FIRST & LAST? Isn't it also true that, even in this 'enlightened', unisex age, that 'Allison' is a FEMALE name? Since this, your first name, was on your resume, were you not also telling any and all potential employers your sex (sorry, but gender is the improper word to use, since it's used to denote pronouns and the associated verbal tense to be used WITH that pronoun) when you applied? Having said all that, how can you INSULT my intelligence, and expect me to BELIEVE SUCH BS?! If you're going to try selling the Brooklyn Bridge to someone, you'd better be more creative, Sweet Pee...
Secondly, assuming what you say is true (and I proved beyond any doubt that it is not in the preceding paragraph), let me ask you THIS: even if you received no preference at all, that does NOT mean that you were not the beneficiary of some sort of preferential treatment beforehand, does it? Let me ask some MORE questions...
You didn't state whether or not you received preferential treatment WRT to your college admissions, does it? It doesn't mean that you didn't receive some help getting a key internship, huh? Nor does it mean that you weren't the beneficiary when it came to law school admissions. I've researched law school, because I would make a GREAT lawyer; for many reasons I'd make a great lawyer.
But, before undertaking such a huge, not to mention costly, endeavor, I did my due diligence; I took a good look at what I was getting into before taking the leap. One of the KEY things I learned about working in the law is this: the law school one attends is EVERYTHING! It determines clerkships, internships, and career prospects. If one attends a Top Ten law school (Harvard, Yale, Chicago, the usual suspects) and does halfway decently while there, then the prospective lawyer pretty well HAS IT MADE; he can literally write his ticket to the top. If one cannot attend a Top Ten law school, then one better attend a top tier school; not only that, the law student had BETTER do a stint on law review. Even if one attends a Top Ten school of law, serving on law review is a MUST if he has any teaching aspirations after law school.
Having said all that, are you SURE you didn't get any preferences for admission to law school? Are you really sure you didn't get any preferences for a seat on law review? Are you sure you didn't get any preferences for other key assignments, projects, internships, et al? So, just because you may have not gotten any preferences for your interviews and and subsequent job offer, does NOT mean you didn't benefit from them in such a way as to PLACE YOU IN POSITION to apply and accept said job.
Allison, my dear, if you wish to sell this old Jersey Boy a line of BS, you're going to have to do better; you need to be more creative, Sweet Pee. With that, I'm going to sign off, weary of having poked your arguments so full of holes that Swiss cheese looks solid in comparison. Good night...
MarkyMark
MarkyMark:
1. The law review selection process is anonymous. Students are given an anonymous, gender-neutral number. Some reviews take it a step further, requiring only the GPA and writing sample (and not a resume with the college listed.)
2. Some law firms use a similar process; e.g. the name, gender, age are all left off the CV. No one is met in person until the very last round. I go by my middle name in business, which is unisex. And some women use their initials and last name only.
3. In my firm, 95% of my colleagues are male. I rarely encounter females attorneys who practice my specific area. Most law firms have more men than women, or at least the ones in my city.
4. I actually took a few electronics courses at night this summer. Both electronics and law "use" the brain. But "using" the brain isn't the whole standard: my standard, at least, is to recognize it as a gift and seek God's guidance on how to best use it to honor Him.
5. If your description of your Fortune 500 company is truthful and accurate, it is Quite the Unique place. In 2006, e.g. there were only 10 female CFOs of Fortune 500 companies. I'm not seeing World Domination here!
6. The law school one attends is only "EVERYTHING" if one aspires to a top department in a top firm in a major city. In any case, the school name only helps land the *first* job. It's a profession that rewards performance and productivity. And even then, no one "has it made." Some firms had to slash or even eliminate their entire real estate departments.
7. Most internships, mine included, was through personal connections, not because of my gender. And that personal connection wasn't some top female partner, it was my (male) firearms instructor who mentioned that his brother worked at a firm. My second internship was more dramatic: I witnessed a crime, jotted in all down like a good law student would, and went to the police. The officer I met with asked if I was a lawyer. I said I wanted to be, and he gave me his father's business card.
And in my firm, I am assigned work to cases that involve specific strengths and interests. My firm does not benefit when they give me a case that does not fit my skills.
8. Finally, if you do decide to study law, feel free email me and I'll send you my old course outlines.
Allison,
Thank you for the kind and gracious response! That was the last thing I expected, since I was in a bit of ain irritable mood (just got home from work & hungry) when I wrote my missives. That, and some of the comments that inspired my missives came across as condescending & insulting, and I just couldn't let them go. In response to what you said, it sounds like you got what you got fair & square, and I have no problem with that at all. I was wrong, and I stand corrected. Thanks for the kind and gentle response/rebuke.
As for attending law school, that won't be for a long time yet; it'll be more as a second career after electronics. There are a couple of reasons for this...
One, I want to pay for every dime of it myself; I don't want a huge debt hanging over my head, forcing me to take a job I hate (@ BigLaw-ugghh!), or to take clients and/or cases I don't believe in. For example, I could not work for a firm that sues gun manufacturers, since I'm a believer in the Second Amendment. That, and guns are INANIMATE OBJECTS; i.e. they cannot and do not, on their own accord, fire themselves-duh! The only way I could be sure of doing this to pay for law school myself, so I can practice law the way I would like to practice it. However, it'll be a decade or so before I'm IN POSITION to do this, depending on how many variables play out during that time.
Secondly, if I were to practice law, I'd be doing it with the intent to help men and/or conservative or Christians causes/groups, if that makes sense. I'd like to practice law to help make the world a better place, and to support causes, people, and groups I believe in; think of it as public interest law with a conservative spin, if you will. That won't make me rich, so I couldn't support the $1100/month payments that a $100K law school debt would require. To do that, I'd have to do the BigLaw thing, which is NOT my style at all.
I've read a couple of good books ("Double Billing" and "Proceed with Caution") by guys who got their starts in the BigLaw world. I know myself well enough to know that BigLaw would NOT be my thing. It is for some, but not for me. I have no problem with working hard; before the economy turned South on us, I was working 50-55 hours a week, sometimes more. Doing 80-100 hour weeks, which are part & parcel of BigLaw, are something else! Then, to have such a grueling pace be EXPECTED and not appreciated, is something else yet again...
I've also read "One L" and "Law School Confidential", both of which were helpful. One L was like a battlefield diary (albeit from a generation ago, having written in the mid 1970s); Law School Confidential was more like a 'how-to' manual on how to apply to, attend, study, and graduate from law school; it also had helpful information on getting jobs. Along with the author, Robert H. Miller, there was a panel of recent, fellow law school graduates who also provide their input on the law school experience. Law School Confidential was one of the most helpful books I ever read; it helped me to realize that law school wouldn't be a good move for me to make in the near future.
With that said, I appreciate the offer for using your old course outlines, but who knows what law school will be like when I'm finally ready to attend? I know that, thanks to my reading, that there is an effort to reform the way law school is conducted. Will the Socratic Method still be employed in 10-20 years time? Will other changes be made? What will they be? Will the curriculum change? Will I even be around then? Who knows? I've had a couple of close calls on the motorcycle, and as much as I love those things, I know that they can be dangerous too...
In closing, thanks again for the kind, gracious response; it was the LAST thing I expected! I stand corrected. I wish all jobs and professions did things anonymously as they were done for you; then, I'd have a lot more confidence in the system. As I said, I have been turned down for scholarships and stuff in the past, so this is a sore spot with me; that's only to explain, not seek excuse for, both the content & tenor of my comments. Thank you; have a nice day; and God bless you, Allison...
MarkyMark
Mrs. Amy,
If I can do my part to bring this convo back on topic, let me say this: when I was in the Navy, traveling around the world was an EYE OPENER. What I saw in other countries just floored me! I saw people living in tin huts, with dirt floors, no electric, no plumbing, no running water, nothing. I thought to myself that we Americans are a SPOILED, ROTTEN BUNCH! You know, one night after seeing how the regular people in the Dominican Republic lived, I was actually THANKFUL to be back on board the ship. I'm serious!
Sure, it's crammed with guys; the accommodations are not what one would find on The Love Boat, to put it mildly! But, we had electric, running water (at least when the evaporators were functioning!), and I had a clean bunk in which to sleep. In short, I had more than those poor people did in much of Puerto Plata, our port of call. When we got back to America, I was SO GRATEFUL that I cannot put my gratitude into words...
That's one reason why complaining over trivial stuff (like the temp being a bit too hot or cold) just FROSTS me, big time; I can't STAND it when people complain! I want to grab them by the throat, and dump them in a Third World country for a few weeks; then, they'll have something to complain about!!!
I'm going to sign off now. Sorry I derailed this discussion; hopefully, this will bring it back on track. With that, I'm going to shut up before I really get angry! America and her people don't have a clue about a lot of things, and I'll leave it at that...
MarkyMark
Excellent post. Nearly all of us in the Western world are spoilt in terms of material goods and comforts.
I can only comment on the US as an outsider, but I am sure that if everyone there thought and felt like you it wouldn't have the reputation it currently enjoys. I do wonder if those Americans who have not been abroad have any conception of how they are perceived? Since when did patriotism mean being blind to your country's faults?
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